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Postunity100 »

there are more than 2 parties in this. and putin and obama are not exactly opposing parties. obama did quite a lot to undermine what one of the other parties were doing in ukraine, and also in middle east. like openly declaring that usa had done the regime change in ukraine.

the parties are roughly as follows from what i see:

- brics
- obama administration
- neocons behind dick cheney, and their acting henchmen mccain - incidentally this also contains oil and military industry complex interests
- eu
- germany as a part of eu and alone
- france as a part of eu and alone
- radical islamist dictatorships' coalition in middle east (saudis, gulf countries etc)
- israel
- neonazi/fascist groups (historical and new) in ukraine and eastern europe which nato was fostering since end of cold war

the story is that, neocons (military-industrial complex) had been basically pushing the same thing they have been pushing since last 50 years - more wars, occupations and takeovers for oil and whatnot.

after losing elections in 2008, their warmongering agenda was gimped. therefore they had been propagating it through 'colored revolutions' funded by us state dept, and by arming radical islamists if that didnt work. the examples of former are tunusia, egypt, and example of latter is syria.

in that they had been collaborating with radical islamist dictatorships headed by saudi arabia. who had been supplying a lot of the manpower, and also some of the funding.

at libya, things changed. when the radical islamists usa bombed into power took 40+ chinese oil fields in eastern libya and handed them over to american corporations, and russian bases were thrown out and radical islamist dictatorship started cleansing libya from anyone who didnt obey them - leave aside blacks, other islamic sects etc -, brics got angry.

so when neocons took their bullshit to syria by sending us navy there, they were not only met by brics political power, but also a russian carrier fleet, joined by chinese warships and iranian warships.

when the bombing of syria could not happen, they started pumping up radical islamists - funding, arming training. what is called 'free syrian army', which somehow magically constantly keeps turning into or joining the islamic caliphate, is whom they were funding.

israel played a great role in this, and still does.

it didnt work. with the backing of russia, and even iran and north korea, syria stands strong.

instead islamic caliphate suddenly decided to attack iraq - which had become a shiite dominant government which was not so friendly with usa - and take over oil fields belonging to iraqis and then for SOME reason selling the oil through israel.

during all these, especially after the standoff offshore syria, obama administration had not been so willing to cooperate with the agenda neocons have been pushing. after all, from 3 different high level authorities in russian government, usa was warned about ww3 if any moves towards occupying syria and bombing iran (eventual goal) was made.

what neocons want was to set up a puppet radical islamist dictatorship in syria as a satellite of saudi arabia - like the many others in middle east. this would give them syrian oil and gas as much as there was, but also allow them a qatar pipeline to mediterranean and also remove an 'obstacle' towards bombing iran.

when that didnt happen and obama admn. didnt cooperate much, they took their crap to ukraine. us state dept had spent $5 bn in the past decade in ukraine to foster 'democracy' - meaning funding and training neonazi groups to take over the government.

this happened last year through the riots u.s. openly backed.

after which the neonazi government started trying to repress opposition, and naturally they moved to ethnically cleanse ethnic russians and opposition in eastern ukraine, which were not so happy with a neonazi government.

when they failed due to russia backed rebel armies, this time they started bringing in blackwater mercenaries. when that didnt work either the talk of 'sending us advisors and troops' to 'train ukrainian army' started. at this point the rebels suddenly manifested full cadre of offensive weapons, and started advancing instead of defending. after which they circled ~10,000 ukrainian troops.

ukrainian army had been quite unwilling to go about this ethnic cleansing and war, with thousands of them defecting to russia. and when neonazis in kiev attempted to call a mass draft, tens of thousands of people who were of draft age just fled to russia. at this point the ones who were so keen on the 'war' going on were the radical right paramilitaries - who had been bombing cities to kill people by the way - and blackwater mercenaries which kiev was utilizing.

at this point, unrest started in kiev due to draft and 'security situation' in eastern ukraine. when the 'protesters' attempted to take over a government building, neonazi government's position became weaker all of a sudden.

at this time france, who had been bullied by usa to not to give russia the mistral ship russia paid ~$4 bn upfront, and germany, who was being constantly bullied by usa to do things for them in ukraine, had been looking for ways to stop this stampede due to mounting internal and external political pressure. the sanctions eu put against russia due to coercing of usa had damaged european economy much, and major political figures around europe started to talk against it. the situation was untenable, as well as the open coercion of usa.

hence the peace talks started, and concluded with all the terms russia wanted.

in this duration of time, putin found the time to visit egypt and conclude a deal for egypt joining the newly founded eurasian economic union trade zone, which was a major, major move.

it is also said that russia wanted to conclude the ukrainian situation because a lot of other important things had been going around the world. ranging from the push china is doing against usa in pacific to africa.

this is a short story of the events in the past 3 years. i can provide links to relevant references if necessary.
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Postforever »

Some sources would be helpful when you have time. Especially of reliable sources of information.

It seems that there is a 'clear' division in some sectors in the usa. Obama and the neocons but at he same time one has Kerry saying things against the Russians while seemingly Obama not supporting the Ukrainian crisis. Part of the same administration.

This was an extremely important meeting and I believe Putin and the Russians pretty much have saved the situation. With the backup of China and others.

Maybe this Obama telephone call was to support Putin.
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Postforever »

during all these, especially after the standoff offshore syria, obama administration had not been so willing to cooperate with the agenda neocons have been pushing. after all, from 3 different high level authorities in russian government, usa was warned about ww3 if any moves towards occupying syria and bombing iran (eventual goal) was made.


There are many conspiracies about this, but why the eventual goal of these neocons was to bomb Iran ? I say 'was' because it seems that is unattainable now thanks to Russia, China, etc including BRICS and maybe even the Pentagon.
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Postunity100 »

forever wrote:It seems that there is a 'clear' division in some sectors in the usa.


http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=10#15

"....The Atlantean race was a very conglomerate social complex...."

forever wrote:
during all these, especially after the standoff offshore syria, obama administration had not been so willing to cooperate with the agenda neocons have been pushing. after all, from 3 different high level authorities in russian government, usa was warned about ww3 if any moves towards occupying syria and bombing iran (eventual goal) was made.


There are many conspiracies about this, but why the eventual goal of these neocons was to bomb Iran ? I say 'was' because it seems that is unattainable now thanks to Russia, China, etc including BRICS and maybe even the Pentagon.


its mainly israel's goal, and as an extension and corollary, neocons'.

leaving aside all prior indicators and evidence, the recent congress speech stampede lays bare that u.s. is basically herded by israel.

israel wants to establish a 'greater israel' which includes places from north iraq to southern turkey to sinai desert. in front of that, iran is a major problem due to its support for groups opposing to israel. hamas and hezbollah and the like. also the support for shiite majorities in places like iraq, and shiite-strong or secular places like syria. these places - secular syria - is one thing that prevents that lunacy in itself.

in addition, iran is the main source opposing the wahhabi (saudi) conquest of middle east and the virtual caliphate dreams. so they want to remove them, naturally ending up allying with israel.

brics now more active than in cold war. they are 'liberating' countries one by one, and protecting them. despite all efforts of u.s. in south america, south american left-wing governments still remain strong.

but beyond that, russia warned from 3 major offices that if this goes on, it would be ww3. admiralty, prime minister's office, and defense secretary. during the 'lets bomb syria' psychopathy.

there are some rumors regarding stuff happened at that point, including potential sinking of an israeli submarine which bombed a syrian installation by russia. the 'bulava missile' tests were a plenty those days, and russia had been sending some strong messages. in case you have seen the videos, it would be quite hard to call whats in the videos 'a missile'. while the former is a rumor, the latter is an event that is public.

no, there wont be any bombing of syria. as of now the 'coalition' is bombing is targets in coordination with syria, whereas russia is moving forward with a deal to develop palestinian offshore oil and gas. that means there wont be more bombings of gaza by israel anymore. interestingly at this juncture, tzipi livni, a major right wing psychopath who had played an active role - including ministries - in ultrafascist liqud government, suddenly switched 180 degrees to the opposition left party. which is a sign of changing winds itself.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/ ... UI20141210

speaking of changing winds, greece is basically being liberated right now, by syriza and their coalition partner (who signed a cooperation treaty with russia long before). spain may indeed be on the way.
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Postforever »

Not much to add just that I hope the psychopaths become aware of their psychopathy. It seems it is not even negative polarity. Just plain psychopathy at this point.
forever
 

Postunity100 »

forever wrote:Not much to add just that I hope the psychopaths become aware of their psychopathy. It seems it is not even negative polarity. Just plain psychopathy at this point.


those may be closer to each other than you think.
unity100
 

Postforever »

those may be closer to each other than you think.


I know...
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Here another example this from a former head of state:

http://thehill.com/policy/international ... ating-isis

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It appeared in many outlets. This was the original I think:

http://www.granma.cu/idiomas/ingles/ref ... ideas.html

Despite this, Mr. McCain’s most cynical behavior has been in the Near East. Senator McCain is Israel’s most unconditional ally in Mossad’s machinations, something that even his worst adversaries would have been able to imagine. McCain participated alongside this secret service in the creation of the Islamic State which has appropriated a considerable part of Iraq, as well as a third of Syria, according to its affirmations. This state already has a multi-million dollar income, and threatens Saudi Arabia and other nat9ons in this complex region which supplies the greatest part of the world’s oil.
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