What happens at the end of Octave - Returning to the Creator

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Postunity100 »

In case you were wondering what happens to you, your identity, universe, creation in general at the end of the octave, when your future self (totality) leaves every experience it has gathered during the existence in this universe, this post will have some explanations :

As you know, at the end of octave, your future totality leaves all the experiences and resources it had gathered to what manifests as 'higher self', and returns to allness of the creator :

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=37#6

So basically you are in three points in a circle : you as manifesting here in 3rd density, your higher self, and your totality. All are different states of yourself in different time points in existence. (Seeing existence as a sea in which you surf at different space and time points would help perceiving this)

And at the end of the octave, your future state leaves EVERYTHING to your earlier manifestation (higher self) as a resource, and returns to the creator.

In case you forgot, this is something that happens in black holes :

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=29#19

Dont read the other quotes below and immediately pass to this one :

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=40#1

Read this one - you can leave the others since they are not relevant to subject.

Therefore, existence returns to temporary infinity through black holes at the end of each octave, passing an infinite, immeasurable time, until we all coalesce into a one central sun at the start of a new octave and burst out to manifest.

What happens to your identity ?

Quite a lot of people seemed to think that their identity was lost when they left this octave. And if you look at what stephen hawking was saying about black holes and how they 'destroyed' information, this seemed to be true.

First realize this : anything in existence is a piece of information. Information here is the state of existence in any given point of universe - for example, you. You are represented with infinite sets of information that coalesce to the concept 'you'. If you were in a parallel universe which was slightly different, the slight differences in the information describing you and the alternative you would define each of you and differentiate each other from you.

So therefore, in ultimate philosophical and physical end, everything is information.

So what happens to you - 'the information' which is you, at the end of octave in a black hole, is the question.

As said, Stephen Hawking had been advocating that when something falls into a black hole, its information was totally destroyed while it was being absorbed into singularity. This meant that, even if there was another universe at the end of that black hole, there was nothing connecting the thing falling to the black hole from this universe, and the other. Therefore there was discontinuity, there was destruction of information.

However, in the long debate regarding the state of information in black holes, another physicist, Susskind has come up with an explanation which showed otherwise, and Hawking conceded :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_complementarity

Its a delicate read and in detail, so i will explain it to you with a good example which was given in a documentary series :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4036SdwAVas#t=2180

There are two astronauts. They approach a black hole. One stays in the spaceship, the other jumps into the black hole.

The one staying in the spaceship sees the other astronaut get further and further, but SLOWER and slower, until she eventually stops. After a point, according to the astronaut waiting at the ship, it takes forever for her to fall into the black hole, and what he sees is her, stopped and forever there, 'smeared' to the 'outer surface' of the black hole.

If you watch the bit above, you will understand easier : The surface of the black hole (event horizon) is a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional object at the center of the black hole. And the Hawking radiation that black holes emit, are actually from the objects that fell into the black holes. (The problem with the hawking radiation was that, they did not seem to come from the points which the matter was falling into the black holes. However this explanation solves that problem.) Its a holographic situation - whatever falls into black hole is forever smeared onto the surface of the black hole as a 2 dimensional information.

Much physics.

If we translate this to spiritual terms through ra material, what happens is this :

You leave your entire totality smeared in the face of the black hole when you go into the black hole. Totality is all the things that you can be in this given universe (as explained by ra on what totality means) - anything that can potentially happen, anything you can live, anything you can see, anything you can do. Basically anything that concerns you and this universe.

Its forever 'smeared' into the surface of the black hole, its FOREVER there, and it forever emanates the information it had gathered back to this universe.

In that regard, you, what you are and what you can be, forever STAYS in this universe instead of 'going away'. And all the entities that look towards that point, can see and interact with it.

Since it includes anything you can be, entire set of information, ALL the possibilities, you are basically forever interacting with this universe from the surface of the black hole. Since, a set containing ANYTHING you can be, also contains all the interactions that you could do - if you simplified the concept, all kinds of answers you would give to any kind of question, is also contained within that information. Therefore, someone from this universe who is interacting with you, would be interacting really with you, since you would appear to be alive and properly responding to questions, queries, emotions - everything.

Of course this is an extremely simplified explanation, because in fact totality is EVERYTHING that has happened/was possible/is possible/can happen regarding you, therefore it is an infinite stash of existence - its not just simple stuff like questions, answers, talking, interactions or whatnot - it transcends beyond the concept of time as defined in this slow-space (3rd density and vicinity).

So in short, from the perspective of the ones in this universe, you NEVER leave this universe, forever there, and not to mention all that you are radiates back to the universe, affects and interacts with everything - in a sense, participates in what makes this universe what it is.

On the other hand, because the information that remains on the outer shell of the black hole is now known to be connected to the object that fell into, you are also in the OTHER side of the black hole - in the new octave.

So, a certain link in between who you were (and still are) in THIS universe, and your existence in the NEXT universe also exists. Which also makes it possible to track back into the 'past' to this octave. Remember the 'wanderers coming from octave' ra talks about.

So as ra often quotes, 'nothing is lost'. All that you were, and could be, is forever here in this universe in the past, and you could behold it, visit that state of being, look back at it at any point from the future.

Nothing is lost, neither in the past octaves, nor in this one, nor in future octaves. There is continuity, and there are no disruptions in existence.

If you would like to read other possible theoretical explanations regarding conservation of information in black holes, below is a lost. However i find Susskind's explanation quite precise and apt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole ... on_paradox
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Postforever »

First, these thoughts help to have a clearer idea on the issue of parallel selves in space/time --since in time-space parallel selves don't seem to correlate as I currently think of this. Besides, parallel selves seemingly need veils and this is possible in 3rd density post-veil.

Then....
The totality seems intrinsically related to the sub-Logos. Seems we need the sub-Logos (or being one with it in the most intimate sense) in order to cross the octave boundary/event horizon.

So, is this 'loss of identity' a the end of the octave becoming the sub-Logos ?

The other issue I can think of is: if this already happened, how come that we do not have awareness of it ? Now here, we are talking via a computer in 3rd density in outer rims of Milky Way, in a sense 'stuck' in this space-time like an infinite recorder of experiences. Leaving aside the concept of wanderers, how does this awareness from density to density and 'me' able to experience this happens ? How to be 'un-stocked'. 'unglued' so awareness takes place in a different st/ts in this octave?

Because in the previous and following octaves 'me or you' is not 'me or you' anymore.
forever
 

Postunity100 »

forever wrote:First, these thoughts help to have a clearer idea on the issue of parallel selves in space/time --since in time-space parallel selves don't seem to correlate as I currently think of this. Besides, parallel selves seemingly need veils and this is possible in 3rd density post-veil.


parallel selves need veils ? why ?

forever wrote:Then....
The totality seems intrinsically related to the sub-Logos. Seems we need the sub-Logos (or being one with it in the most intimate sense) in order to cross the octave boundary/event horizon.


everything is intrinsically connected from one initial focus to the smallest most recent furthest out in the chain.

needing sub logos for what ? a black hole does not necessitate a star.

So, is this 'loss of identity' a the end of the octave becoming the sub-Logos ?


identity is not lost - its left behind. its forever there.

what the entities going to the next octave will manifest as, could depend on the nature of that octave.

The other issue I can think of is: if this already happened, how come that we do not have awareness of it ? Now here, we are talking via a computer in 3rd density in outer rims of Milky Way, in a sense 'stuck' in this space-time like an infinite recorder of experiences. Leaving aside the concept of wanderers, how does this awareness from density to density and 'me' able to experience this happens ? How to be 'un-stocked'. 'unglued' so awareness takes place in a different st/ts in this octave?

Because in the previous and following octaves 'me or you' is not 'me or you' anymore.


the veil plays a great part probably.

however, the nature of 'me' as defined through the accumulated events and experiences in the last octave, and attached mechanisms of remembering, are also left behind in that octave.

the resultant spark of creator continues the journey. the identity created in the last octave, remains in that octave.

what would be remembered should have been unification to creator - the nearest concept to infinity. however, this is an infinitely 'wide' concept for any limited mind to remember and process. it is likely that the memory of the event of ending last octave and starting this one is lost by the entities after the initial phases of their bursting into this creation.
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PostSattva »

Fascinating explanation! This is something that has bothered me. In a state of altered awareness, it all made perfect sense to me. (I don't remember the knowledge, but I remember having the knowledge.) But in my 'everyday' normal awareness, this question of what happens at the end of the octave has been bothersome. No matter how I analyzed it, it still seemed like there would be a point in which souls simply get 'snuffed out' and I found that disconcerting.

Your explanation offers several key points that I had never considered before.

unity100 wrote:You leave your entire totality smeared in the face of the black hole when you go into the black hole. Totality is all the things that you can be in this given universe (as explained by ra on what totality means) - anything that can potentially happen, anything you can live, anything you can see, anything you can do. Basically anything that concerns you and this universe.


Since All is One, and other entities are other-selves, how is 'you' defined?

unity100 wrote:In that regard, you, what you are and what you can be, forever STAYS in this universe instead of 'going away'. And all the entities that look towards that point, can see and interact with it.


Interesting. I like this. It aligns with what we know of Ra being able to 'be with us in any of our times.'

unity100 wrote:Since it includes anything you can be, entire set of information, ALL the possibilities, you are basically forever interacting with this universe from the surface of the black hole.

So in short, from the perspective of the ones in this universe, you NEVER leave this universe, forever there, and not to mention all that you are radiates back to the universe, affects and interacts with everything - in a sense, participates in what makes this universe what it is.

On the other hand, because the information that remains on the outer shell of the black hole is now known to be connected to the object that fell into, you are also in the OTHER side of the black hole - in the new octave...

...So, a certain link in between who you were (and still are) in THIS universe, and your existence in the NEXT universe also exists. Which also makes it possible to track back into the 'past' to this octave.


Then in a sense, this 'you' would indeed live forever, in that state.

unity100 wrote:Remember the 'wanderers coming from octave' ra talks about.


http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=52#12

unity100 wrote:So as ra often quotes, 'nothing is lost'. All that you were, and could be, is forever here in this universe in the past, and you could behold it, visit that state of being, look back at it at any point from the future.

Nothing is lost, neither in the past octaves, nor in this one, nor in future octaves. There is continuity, and there are no disruptions in existence.


In previous discussions, whenever this question was asked, the prevailing answer was 'nothing of value was lost' as though this present identity, memories, emotions, etc. - all that which makes up an entity's identity in 3D - had no value and therefore could be discarded.

I was never satisfied with that answer.

I always preferred to think that those attributes continue to exist in some way, and it was just a matter of attuning to them. Your explanation allows for this.
Sattva
 

Postunity100 »

Sattva wrote:Since All is One, and other entities are other-selves, how is 'you' defined?


'all is one' refers to a future and past timepoint above these existences that we see as octaves - the points: infinity, infinite intelligence, and the first sun.

but everything below those points, are not 'one' - they are as separate as the concept 'separate' was invented/discovered. as you go further down that level, the entities become more separate as much as separation was developed/invented. not only 'physically' (manifestation-wise, physical bodies and their manifestations : from quantum particles to heavenly bodies in our own universe for example), but also awareness-wise : a rock is much less aware of itself, its surroundings and the connections it has to entire existence than an entity in 7th density.

it is much repeated, because it is also the emphasis of the density ra is in : 6th density. just like how the 4d entities see everything as love due to the emphasis of love in 4d, 6d entities see everything from the magnifying glass of 'one'. hence endless repetition.

however looking at it, you are not at all 'one' with one of the fish-people living in a nearby constellation, isnt it. they are dealing with their own stuff, you are dealing with your own stuff. you are as 'separate' as it was invented.

the concept one also refers to the initial, fist logos, the first sun that burst creation into existence. but then again, that first entity is comprised of infinite entities: all of us. even if it appears as if it was a singular entity due to infinite harmonization among its parts, in the end ALL these came out of that initial sun, and when all go back, ALL of these still will be inside that single sun/entity.

we are an infinitely harmonized collective.

the 'you' here is defined as all the potential interactions and different states of the sub-part, the member of that harmonized collective (sun) in this octave.

Sattva wrote:Then in a sense, this 'you' would indeed live forever, in that state.


the past 'you' that you left here, becomes a part of the experience and all that was found out in this universe, and participates in defining this universe. entire universe is bombarded with the emanations that come from black holes.

Sattva wrote:In previous discussions, whenever this question was asked, the prevailing answer was 'nothing of value was lost' as though this present identity, memories, emotions, etc. - all that which makes up an entity's identity in 3D - had no value and therefore could be discarded.

I was never satisfied with that answer.

I always preferred to think that those attributes continue to exist in some way, and it was just a matter of attuning to them. Your explanation allows for this.


information cannot be destroyed. even if it seems 'destroyed' in a limited, given scale, its actually transformed into a new state which that particular unit of information caused to come to being.
unity100
 

Postforever »

parallel selves need veils ? why ?


To me at this point, it seems that parallel selves experiences happen in space/time 3rd density since it is a property of the higher self as I understand it.


needing sub logos for what ? a black hole does not necessitate a star.

True that is not what I mean:
mind/body/spirit was a harvest of the previous octave. m/b/s complexes at least in idea or concept to be experimented with was also in previous octave.

The way we came to this octave...after the big bang, after the coalescence in t/s of 7th from last octave to the formation of galaxies and their sublogoi and materialization in space/time at the end, was precisely via this sublogos. It is interesting since the mind/body/spirits from last octave manifest via sublogoi in this octave.


Now. Seemingly the galaxy is a m/b/s, the sublogoi as well...

What I mean by needing the sublogos to leave the octave is that it seems to me that the sublogos is the one to do this or the only m/b/s capable of doing this after the sums after the m/b/s entities derived from sublogos goes back to it as a almost-totality to form the totality with the sublogos. in turn forming quasi-totalities to reach the galactic sun (galactic black hole) and so on.

So probably the sun needs the cluster and so on and the galaxy is the one that leaves the octave or is the whole universe/universes that cause the 'big crunch' and leaving the octave never occurs until this. However, the closest black hole possibly offers that opportunity without going to a more greater scale.


At the end, our closer identity at that level (above 6th or even mid-6th) is the sublogo's.
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