What happens at the end of Octave - Returning to the Creator
Posted: Thu May 08, 2014 7:55 pmIn case you were wondering what happens to you, your identity, universe, creation in general at the end of the octave, when your future self (totality) leaves every experience it has gathered during the existence in this universe, this post will have some explanations :
As you know, at the end of octave, your future totality leaves all the experiences and resources it had gathered to what manifests as 'higher self', and returns to allness of the creator :
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=37#6
So basically you are in three points in a circle : you as manifesting here in 3rd density, your higher self, and your totality. All are different states of yourself in different time points in existence. (Seeing existence as a sea in which you surf at different space and time points would help perceiving this)
And at the end of the octave, your future state leaves EVERYTHING to your earlier manifestation (higher self) as a resource, and returns to the creator.
In case you forgot, this is something that happens in black holes :
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=29#19
Dont read the other quotes below and immediately pass to this one :
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=40#1
Read this one - you can leave the others since they are not relevant to subject.
Therefore, existence returns to temporary infinity through black holes at the end of each octave, passing an infinite, immeasurable time, until we all coalesce into a one central sun at the start of a new octave and burst out to manifest.
What happens to your identity ?
Quite a lot of people seemed to think that their identity was lost when they left this octave. And if you look at what stephen hawking was saying about black holes and how they 'destroyed' information, this seemed to be true.
First realize this : anything in existence is a piece of information. Information here is the state of existence in any given point of universe - for example, you. You are represented with infinite sets of information that coalesce to the concept 'you'. If you were in a parallel universe which was slightly different, the slight differences in the information describing you and the alternative you would define each of you and differentiate each other from you.
So therefore, in ultimate philosophical and physical end, everything is information.
So what happens to you - 'the information' which is you, at the end of octave in a black hole, is the question.
As said, Stephen Hawking had been advocating that when something falls into a black hole, its information was totally destroyed while it was being absorbed into singularity. This meant that, even if there was another universe at the end of that black hole, there was nothing connecting the thing falling to the black hole from this universe, and the other. Therefore there was discontinuity, there was destruction of information.
However, in the long debate regarding the state of information in black holes, another physicist, Susskind has come up with an explanation which showed otherwise, and Hawking conceded :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_complementarity
Its a delicate read and in detail, so i will explain it to you with a good example which was given in a documentary series :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4036SdwAVas#t=2180
There are two astronauts. They approach a black hole. One stays in the spaceship, the other jumps into the black hole.
The one staying in the spaceship sees the other astronaut get further and further, but SLOWER and slower, until she eventually stops. After a point, according to the astronaut waiting at the ship, it takes forever for her to fall into the black hole, and what he sees is her, stopped and forever there, 'smeared' to the 'outer surface' of the black hole.
If you watch the bit above, you will understand easier : The surface of the black hole (event horizon) is a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional object at the center of the black hole. And the Hawking radiation that black holes emit, are actually from the objects that fell into the black holes. (The problem with the hawking radiation was that, they did not seem to come from the points which the matter was falling into the black holes. However this explanation solves that problem.) Its a holographic situation - whatever falls into black hole is forever smeared onto the surface of the black hole as a 2 dimensional information.
Much physics.
If we translate this to spiritual terms through ra material, what happens is this :
You leave your entire totality smeared in the face of the black hole when you go into the black hole. Totality is all the things that you can be in this given universe (as explained by ra on what totality means) - anything that can potentially happen, anything you can live, anything you can see, anything you can do. Basically anything that concerns you and this universe.
Its forever 'smeared' into the surface of the black hole, its FOREVER there, and it forever emanates the information it had gathered back to this universe.
In that regard, you, what you are and what you can be, forever STAYS in this universe instead of 'going away'. And all the entities that look towards that point, can see and interact with it.
Since it includes anything you can be, entire set of information, ALL the possibilities, you are basically forever interacting with this universe from the surface of the black hole. Since, a set containing ANYTHING you can be, also contains all the interactions that you could do - if you simplified the concept, all kinds of answers you would give to any kind of question, is also contained within that information. Therefore, someone from this universe who is interacting with you, would be interacting really with you, since you would appear to be alive and properly responding to questions, queries, emotions - everything.
Of course this is an extremely simplified explanation, because in fact totality is EVERYTHING that has happened/was possible/is possible/can happen regarding you, therefore it is an infinite stash of existence - its not just simple stuff like questions, answers, talking, interactions or whatnot - it transcends beyond the concept of time as defined in this slow-space (3rd density and vicinity).
So in short, from the perspective of the ones in this universe, you NEVER leave this universe, forever there, and not to mention all that you are radiates back to the universe, affects and interacts with everything - in a sense, participates in what makes this universe what it is.
On the other hand, because the information that remains on the outer shell of the black hole is now known to be connected to the object that fell into, you are also in the OTHER side of the black hole - in the new octave.
So, a certain link in between who you were (and still are) in THIS universe, and your existence in the NEXT universe also exists. Which also makes it possible to track back into the 'past' to this octave. Remember the 'wanderers coming from octave' ra talks about.
So as ra often quotes, 'nothing is lost'. All that you were, and could be, is forever here in this universe in the past, and you could behold it, visit that state of being, look back at it at any point from the future.
Nothing is lost, neither in the past octaves, nor in this one, nor in future octaves. There is continuity, and there are no disruptions in existence.
If you would like to read other possible theoretical explanations regarding conservation of information in black holes, below is a lost. However i find Susskind's explanation quite precise and apt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole ... on_paradox
As you know, at the end of octave, your future totality leaves all the experiences and resources it had gathered to what manifests as 'higher self', and returns to allness of the creator :
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=37#6
So basically you are in three points in a circle : you as manifesting here in 3rd density, your higher self, and your totality. All are different states of yourself in different time points in existence. (Seeing existence as a sea in which you surf at different space and time points would help perceiving this)
And at the end of the octave, your future state leaves EVERYTHING to your earlier manifestation (higher self) as a resource, and returns to the creator.
In case you forgot, this is something that happens in black holes :
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=29#19
Dont read the other quotes below and immediately pass to this one :
http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?s=40#1
Read this one - you can leave the others since they are not relevant to subject.
Therefore, existence returns to temporary infinity through black holes at the end of each octave, passing an infinite, immeasurable time, until we all coalesce into a one central sun at the start of a new octave and burst out to manifest.
What happens to your identity ?
Quite a lot of people seemed to think that their identity was lost when they left this octave. And if you look at what stephen hawking was saying about black holes and how they 'destroyed' information, this seemed to be true.
First realize this : anything in existence is a piece of information. Information here is the state of existence in any given point of universe - for example, you. You are represented with infinite sets of information that coalesce to the concept 'you'. If you were in a parallel universe which was slightly different, the slight differences in the information describing you and the alternative you would define each of you and differentiate each other from you.
So therefore, in ultimate philosophical and physical end, everything is information.
So what happens to you - 'the information' which is you, at the end of octave in a black hole, is the question.
As said, Stephen Hawking had been advocating that when something falls into a black hole, its information was totally destroyed while it was being absorbed into singularity. This meant that, even if there was another universe at the end of that black hole, there was nothing connecting the thing falling to the black hole from this universe, and the other. Therefore there was discontinuity, there was destruction of information.
However, in the long debate regarding the state of information in black holes, another physicist, Susskind has come up with an explanation which showed otherwise, and Hawking conceded :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole_complementarity
Its a delicate read and in detail, so i will explain it to you with a good example which was given in a documentary series :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4036SdwAVas#t=2180
There are two astronauts. They approach a black hole. One stays in the spaceship, the other jumps into the black hole.
The one staying in the spaceship sees the other astronaut get further and further, but SLOWER and slower, until she eventually stops. After a point, according to the astronaut waiting at the ship, it takes forever for her to fall into the black hole, and what he sees is her, stopped and forever there, 'smeared' to the 'outer surface' of the black hole.
If you watch the bit above, you will understand easier : The surface of the black hole (event horizon) is a 2 dimensional representation of a 3 dimensional object at the center of the black hole. And the Hawking radiation that black holes emit, are actually from the objects that fell into the black holes. (The problem with the hawking radiation was that, they did not seem to come from the points which the matter was falling into the black holes. However this explanation solves that problem.) Its a holographic situation - whatever falls into black hole is forever smeared onto the surface of the black hole as a 2 dimensional information.
Much physics.
If we translate this to spiritual terms through ra material, what happens is this :
You leave your entire totality smeared in the face of the black hole when you go into the black hole. Totality is all the things that you can be in this given universe (as explained by ra on what totality means) - anything that can potentially happen, anything you can live, anything you can see, anything you can do. Basically anything that concerns you and this universe.
Its forever 'smeared' into the surface of the black hole, its FOREVER there, and it forever emanates the information it had gathered back to this universe.
In that regard, you, what you are and what you can be, forever STAYS in this universe instead of 'going away'. And all the entities that look towards that point, can see and interact with it.
Since it includes anything you can be, entire set of information, ALL the possibilities, you are basically forever interacting with this universe from the surface of the black hole. Since, a set containing ANYTHING you can be, also contains all the interactions that you could do - if you simplified the concept, all kinds of answers you would give to any kind of question, is also contained within that information. Therefore, someone from this universe who is interacting with you, would be interacting really with you, since you would appear to be alive and properly responding to questions, queries, emotions - everything.
Of course this is an extremely simplified explanation, because in fact totality is EVERYTHING that has happened/was possible/is possible/can happen regarding you, therefore it is an infinite stash of existence - its not just simple stuff like questions, answers, talking, interactions or whatnot - it transcends beyond the concept of time as defined in this slow-space (3rd density and vicinity).
So in short, from the perspective of the ones in this universe, you NEVER leave this universe, forever there, and not to mention all that you are radiates back to the universe, affects and interacts with everything - in a sense, participates in what makes this universe what it is.
On the other hand, because the information that remains on the outer shell of the black hole is now known to be connected to the object that fell into, you are also in the OTHER side of the black hole - in the new octave.
So, a certain link in between who you were (and still are) in THIS universe, and your existence in the NEXT universe also exists. Which also makes it possible to track back into the 'past' to this octave. Remember the 'wanderers coming from octave' ra talks about.
So as ra often quotes, 'nothing is lost'. All that you were, and could be, is forever here in this universe in the past, and you could behold it, visit that state of being, look back at it at any point from the future.
Nothing is lost, neither in the past octaves, nor in this one, nor in future octaves. There is continuity, and there are no disruptions in existence.
If you would like to read other possible theoretical explanations regarding conservation of information in black holes, below is a lost. However i find Susskind's explanation quite precise and apt.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole ... on_paradox