forever wrote:First, these thoughts help to have a clearer idea on the issue of parallel selves in space/time --since in time-space parallel selves don't seem to correlate as I currently think of this. Besides, parallel selves seemingly need veils and this is possible in 3rd density post-veil.
The totality seems intrinsically related to the sub-Logos. Seems we need the sub-Logos (or being one with it in the most intimate sense) in order to cross the octave boundary/event horizon.
So, is this 'loss of identity' a the end of the octave becoming the sub-Logos ?
The other issue I can think of is: if this already happened, how come that we do not have awareness of it ? Now here, we are talking via a computer in 3rd density in outer rims of Milky Way, in a sense 'stuck' in this space-time like an infinite recorder of experiences. Leaving aside the concept of wanderers, how does this awareness from density to density and 'me' able to experience this happens ? How to be 'un-stocked'. 'unglued' so awareness takes place in a different st/ts in this octave?
Because in the previous and following octaves 'me or you' is not 'me or you' anymore.
unity100 wrote:You leave your entire totality smeared in the face of the black hole when you go into the black hole. Totality is all the things that you can be in this given universe (as explained by ra on what totality means) - anything that can potentially happen, anything you can live, anything you can see, anything you can do. Basically anything that concerns you and this universe.
unity100 wrote:In that regard, you, what you are and what you can be, forever STAYS in this universe instead of 'going away'. And all the entities that look towards that point, can see and interact with it.
unity100 wrote:Since it includes anything you can be, entire set of information, ALL the possibilities, you are basically forever interacting with this universe from the surface of the black hole.
So in short, from the perspective of the ones in this universe, you NEVER leave this universe, forever there, and not to mention all that you are radiates back to the universe, affects and interacts with everything - in a sense, participates in what makes this universe what it is.
On the other hand, because the information that remains on the outer shell of the black hole is now known to be connected to the object that fell into, you are also in the OTHER side of the black hole - in the new octave...
...So, a certain link in between who you were (and still are) in THIS universe, and your existence in the NEXT universe also exists. Which also makes it possible to track back into the 'past' to this octave.
unity100 wrote:Remember the 'wanderers coming from octave' ra talks about.
unity100 wrote:So as ra often quotes, 'nothing is lost'. All that you were, and could be, is forever here in this universe in the past, and you could behold it, visit that state of being, look back at it at any point from the future.
Nothing is lost, neither in the past octaves, nor in this one, nor in future octaves. There is continuity, and there are no disruptions in existence.
Sattva wrote:Since All is One, and other entities are other-selves, how is 'you' defined?
Sattva wrote:Then in a sense, this 'you' would indeed live forever, in that state.
Sattva wrote:In previous discussions, whenever this question was asked, the prevailing answer was 'nothing of value was lost' as though this present identity, memories, emotions, etc. - all that which makes up an entity's identity in 3D - had no value and therefore could be discarded.
I was never satisfied with that answer.
I always preferred to think that those attributes continue to exist in some way, and it was just a matter of attuning to them. Your explanation allows for this.
parallel selves need veils ? why ?
needing sub logos for what ? a black hole does not necessitate a star.
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